Chat Room Article Base Facebook Page Twitter RSS Feed
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 24, 2012, 01:20:48 PM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
The E-commerce forum, the best place for advice for your Small Business.
12796 Posts in 1521 Topics by 6461 Members
Latest Member: egrovesystems
* Home Help Search Login Register
+  E-commerce forum
|-+  E-commerce
| |-+  SEO and marketing
| | |-+  Google Google Google ..........
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Google Google Google ..........  (Read 1201 times)
Rainee Bows
hobnob keeper
Shareholder ;o)
*****

Karma: 19
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 943


Currently Online: 109 visitors - 21 Members.


WWW
« on: December 19, 2010, 01:36:46 PM »

We get questions everyday as to the best way to get sites to rank in google for peoples target terms and keywords and we can of course advise on this, and we do on a regular basis ;)

but i though maybe i should share the way I see google to help explain how he (google) works ... and yes he is a he , although he changes his mind like a woman does with regards to importance....



if you had just landed in the UK and needed to get to say a small sleepy town in cornwall , how would you get there ?

You would need a map wouldnt you or a sat nav ?

Google is the same,

He is not going to find your site if you dont let him know that its there, now the old fashioned way to achieve this is to "submit" your site , but there are easier ways

All it takes is one well placed link for google to realise that your site is there ...... once he knows its there you need to keep him interested in the same way that an author has to keep you interested and turning pages when he writes a best seller ...

You only need to remember that google reads like a human to achieve results rankings wise, whether these good rankings will convert to sales will depend upon the research you have done into your target market and keywords and phrases.
Many people think that rankings alone will produce sales but this isnt necessarily the way things work.


To me its like writing a good book for people to read, your site becomes that book, each page is relevant to your book, you dont suddenly insert a completely unrelated chapter inbetween chapters 7 and 8 as that isnt going to make sense and may alter the books readability do you ?

Neither do you change the title of that book once its been printed ....... nor do you decide to replace the content once its sold a 1000 copies in order to catch a different market .... but you may produce a spin off or a sequel ....

imagine what would happen if suddenly penguin books decided to take the content within the pages of a best seller ........ for instance Far from The Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy , and replaced it with thomas the tank engine .....

It would make the book completely unsaleable , and therefore the title would no longer make sense and neither would the inside pages .....

people would pick up the book expecting a classic to be confronted by childrens stories ....

it becomes irrelevant people wont read it and neither will google ..... since the back cover synopsis (your main page keywords and meta tags and content)  promises much and the actual book once opened delivers nothing ...

Google reads in the same way as a human does.

google follows links instead of turning pages ....... but the important bit here is that google will rate the relevance of those links to the content it links to ....

this includes links back from people on blogs ... comments etc , keeping on top of the comments on a blog to filter out the spam posts and irrelevant website links will help to limit the damage done by links back from completely irrelevant sites and user content.

In order to get your site ranking nicely you need to concentrate on writing that good book, relevant content is king ..... content that makes sense to read and isnt just a mass of links.

Use your content to direct google and your human readers around the site, this is possible within your retail store within descriptions and recommended products.

Once you have decided on the "angle" you are using to market your site I would advise against making changes initially , let the layout and links age a while, by all means add content but making constant changes to the initial layout especially categories and products unless you can manage to redirect them all is in my mind the wrong thing to do , it confuses people and google and results in dead ends and dead links , when listing products think carefully about product titles and category titles , if you have planned your site this won't need much thinking about as you will already know which market you are aiming for and will already have a fair idea what your titles and categories should be,

Google when it first finds your site will have a good forage around, it will come back to see what if anything you have added, and will decide wether it would like to continue looking in much the same way as a human does, if your site is hard to navigate and/or doesnt make sense it will give up reading in the same way you or i would when confronted with a hard to navigate site  or a site that doesn't contain the content it expected to find in relation to links keywords and search phrases.

Think about the way you yourself would use google to find what you wanted to find, think about how your potential customers would use google to find what it was they wanted.

Google loves updated content, dislikes the overuse of keywords and spamfilled content, google loves relevancy it is afterall how it returns a list of sites compared to what you ask it to search for ;)

Google rankings may fluctuate hugely with a brand new site, and google will take it's time to decide what searches your site is relevant to, it will take less time to decide wether you are relevant or not if you have planned and researched your search terms and leywords and have thought about the market you are aiming to capture with your site.

People in my mind are far too impatient to see sites rank highly on google, and place far too much importance on their rankings rather than spend time working to improve their site and the customer experience, and their relationship with the buying public, In this day and age with the upturn in people trading online you need to make your site stand out and be remembered and this doesnt wholly rely on google rankings does it ?

It depends on a whole range of things


Price
Reputation
Communication
Design

People will not always buy based on price, they will make a decision based on several factors all at once .....

One thing you can almost guarantee though is that if the traffic you are getting doesnt wish to buy your product in the first place, then nothing will MAKE them ...... thats the beauty of ending up with unfocussed traffic through not researching how your potential buyers behave.


Now i realise that the above post is a bit ranty and a little disjointed but its quitehard to describe how google works without getting into technicalities and algorythms .... hopefully i managed to give a bit of an insight to those of you who arent familiar with the technical terms and stuff :)

Rain
xxxx




Logged

If you want the Rainbow,you have to put up with a little Rain
Facebook Articles
Graphic & Web Design Services
Business Network
stevread1
Stephanie Jane cosmetics
Settling In
**

Karma: 1
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 53



WWW
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 12:08:38 PM »

Interesting read miss Bows i award you with a packet of hob nobs  great
Logged

Stephanie Jane Cosmetics
Rainee Bows
hobnob keeper
Shareholder ;o)
*****

Karma: 19
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 943


Currently Online: 109 visitors - 21 Members.


WWW
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 05:46:48 PM »

oh did you not know I've gone upmarket ? I'll take payment in Luxury Shortbread please, gift wrapped , accompanied by a bottle of drambuie ........


Chhers ;)

Rain
xxxx
Logged

If you want the Rainbow,you have to put up with a little Rain
Facebook Articles
Graphic & Web Design Services
Business Network
Andy c
Members - (ws)
Shareholder ;o)
*****

Karma: 2
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 582



WWW
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 06:43:21 PM »

lol least it's a step in the right direction :)
Logged
HenryReedJewelry
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 8


Our website offers fine deals on genuine Jewelry.


WWW
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 04:30:00 PM »

:applause: great post. I never looked at it that way. Whee's that great job smiley?  thumbs up
Logged

www.HenryReedJewelry.com
Bringing You the Best Deals in Gemstones. Shop Henry Reed Jewelry for affordable, classy pieces, from Diamonds, Pearls, Gems and more. You will love our prices, customer service and selection.
Rainee Bows
hobnob keeper
Shareholder ;o)
*****

Karma: 19
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 943


Currently Online: 109 visitors - 21 Members.


WWW
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 05:07:33 PM »

lol thankyou 


Rainee x
Logged

If you want the Rainbow,you have to put up with a little Rain
Facebook Articles
Graphic & Web Design Services
Business Network
FionaJMD
Fiiiiiioooooooooooonnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Global Moderator
Part of the Furniture
*****

Karma: 5
Offline Offline

Posts: 310



WWW
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 05:26:47 PM »

What about links?

On my previous site I have had a page for links - basically reciprocal "Likes".

As my new site is more a shop than a "social site" what will the impact be of not having the Links (if any impact)

Logged

seamus
zen master
Shareholder ;o)
*****

Karma: 45
Online Online

Gender: Male
Posts: 1111



WWW
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 06:56:23 PM »

I dont really think links are too important, they can be an advantage if the sites that you are linking to and from, have similar content to yours, so a link either way would add relevance to your content.
A well set up site as far as SEO is conserned, will do alot more good (as Rainee-bows mentions above)

IMO links aren't really much to worry about, they can be useful but they dont have the quite as much importance that people suggest they do.
Logged

Rainee Bows
hobnob keeper
Shareholder ;o)
*****

Karma: 19
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 943


Currently Online: 109 visitors - 21 Members.


WWW
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 07:20:16 PM »

What about links?

On my previous site I have had a page for links - basically reciprocal "Likes".

As my new site is more a shop than a "social site" what will the impact be of not having the Links (if any impact)



Personally I've never gone out of my way to get links back to my site, I'm not even that sure if there are any :/

if people find the site interesting and the content is good you will gain links back naturally,


( If you are using blogging software with comments allowed be sure to check the comments before you allow them and publish, most blog comments are just attempts to leave a link , and watch ut for the porn ;)   )


Rainee x
Logged

If you want the Rainbow,you have to put up with a little Rain
Facebook Articles
Graphic & Web Design Services
Business Network
FionaJMD
Fiiiiiioooooooooooonnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Global Moderator
Part of the Furniture
*****

Karma: 5
Offline Offline

Posts: 310



WWW
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 08:01:11 PM »

Thanks guys xx
Logged

soniaparker
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 17


WWW
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 10:31:56 PM »

Excellent post thank you great
Logged
HenryReedJewelry
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
Posts: 8


Our website offers fine deals on genuine Jewelry.


WWW
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 02:55:38 AM »

Fiona,


Read "Search Engine Optimization (SEO) basic guide" by Gothic Dropshipping. It covers exactly why links are basically useless nowadays.  wink
Logged

www.HenryReedJewelry.com
Bringing You the Best Deals in Gemstones. Shop Henry Reed Jewelry for affordable, classy pieces, from Diamonds, Pearls, Gems and more. You will love our prices, customer service and selection.
FionaJMD
Fiiiiiioooooooooooonnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Global Moderator
Part of the Furniture
*****

Karma: 5
Offline Offline

Posts: 310



WWW
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 09:38:32 AM »

Fiona,


Read "Search Engine Optimization (SEO) basic guide" by Gothic Dropshipping. It covers exactly why links are basically useless nowadays.  wink

Thanks, I came across that one just after I read this one LOL.
Logged

conran
Settling In
**

Karma: 3
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 59



WWW
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 04:12:35 PM »

Absolutely agree on the original content mantra. Now that google has developed their algo for duplicate content this will be more important than ever. It won't matter how many links you have if all those links point to worthless pages of copy/paste.
Logged

Fleshlight and Fleshjack mens sex toys from a UK site exclusively dedicated to Blokes!
Firestar
Newbie
*

Karma: 0
Offline Offline

Posts: 4



WWW
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 12:32:51 AM »

Duplicate content is an annoying euphemism for plagiarism. As a writer and artist I find plagiarism abhorrent. I report any site plagiarising from me or my site's members, to the plagiarising site's host.
Logged

My Warrior Cats roleplay game and message boards, and my Warrior Cats pictures blog! Wow :)
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.15 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
SimplePortal 2.2.2 © 2008-2009